Homosexuality encourages bad acts
1. People say that accepting/being homosexual will lead to the acceptance/doing
of other stuff like zoophilia or pedophilia. This is a slippery slope argument
just because people do one thing does not mean people will start doing another thing.
2. The vast majority of LGBT+ people don't support pedophilia and zoophilia.
3. Why can't this argument be used against heterosexuality, the only big difference is
The gender you are attracted to.
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Same sex marriage is not traditional
1. This argument implies that the traditional definition of marriage (between a man and
a woman) is inherently better. Just because something is old and has been done for a
long time does not mean it's better. For example, slavery is an old "tradition" done in
many old civilizations but it's not good.
2. Homosexual relationships were a tradition in some parts of the world along with other things like polygamy.
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Homosexuality is disgusting
1. Just because a person thinks something is disgusting does not mean it's bad. People think
some foods are disgusting but that does not mean the foods are bad for you or that they
should be wiped from the face of the earth.
2. The only difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality is the gender someone likes. There is nothing to be disgusted about.
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Homosexuality is a mental disorder
1. First of all the definition of a mental disorder states that it must cause harm to a
person or impair their function. Homosexuality does not do this, gay people live
their life normally apart from who they are attracted to.
2. Also homosexuality is not in the current version of the DSM, it was removed in the
DSM3-R.
3. Even if homosexuality was a mental disorder why should people deny gay people rights? It
would still be discrimination.
4. Also if it was a mental disorder why would this matter? A mental disorder is just a
label and being homosexual does not reduce people's ability to function.
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https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mental+disorder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_DSM
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Being transgender/non binary is a new trend
1. Some people like to say that being transgender or nonbinary is just a recent trend.
This is wrong and transgender and nonbinary people have been found throughout history.
2. While it is true more people identify as transgender/nonbinary now then before this because of the LGBT+ movement
helping people find themselves. We have written a article on why more people are LGBT+ see it here.
3. you could call it a "trend" it's better than the
trend of being stuck with gender dysphoria with nothing to do about it.
4. Rapid onset gender dysphoria is baseless.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history
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Transgender - Non Binary - Non Religious
Gay people don't reproduce
1. Some people say this is a negative but it might be a plus. More babies contribute to
overpopulation. Also Same sex couples often adopt children, and adoption is considered good.
Also, same-sex parents adopting does not harm children.
2. Why is this a problem in the first place? Life and relationships are much more than just reproducing.
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Genesis 1:27 says there are only 2 genders
1. There are many ways this can be approached. First god makes everything on a spectrum.
when god made day and night he also made the morning and evening. When god made the land
and sea he also made beaches. So why can't god have made things in the middle?
2. Jumping off the last point intersex people exist. Showing god did make people in-between male and female
they are even affirmed in Matthew 19:12.
3. Also this verse can be viewed as symbolism for the creation of humanity.
4. Also this verse refers to biological sex, not gender identity which is both different things.
5. Also god did not list everything he created so other stuff exists but was just not listed.
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http://www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people/
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Non Binary - Religious
Sex and gender are the same thing
Giving bathroom rights to transgender people puts cisgender women in danger
We have written a longer article on this. Click here for more information on this topic.
1. Giving transgender people bathroom rights does not endanger cisgender women. There is no
link between giving these rights and increased violence.
2. While there are one-off cases of transgender people attacking people in bathrooms you can't
use the actions of individuals to attack a whole group.
3. Also discriminatory laws probably won't be too helpful. There is nothing stopping people
from just violating these rules because people can still walk into bathrooms, a law won't
physically stop them from using the other bathroom.
4. This is more of an issue for transgender people because going into the wrong bathroom makes them
more likely to have hate crimes and violence perpetrated against them.
5. Transgender people going into the wrong bathroom would also be very bad for mental health.
6. These discriminatory laws are unenforceable. Would people need to pull down there pants or
use an ID just to use their bathroom?
7. Giving bathroom rights to transgender people benefits them because it does not hurt
cisgender people so there is a net gain for bathroom rights. This argument is just a
mask for transphobic people to attack the existence of transgender people.
8. Saying transgender people can't use the right restroom because they might attack people is
like saying gay people can't use the right restroom because they might attack people.
9. Many women's rights and anti sexual-assult groups sent a statement opposing bathroom bills. See the sources for this statement.
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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-018-0335-z
https://transequality.org/what-experts-say
https://www.4vawa.org/ntf-action-alerts-and-news/2018/4/12/national-consensus-statement-of-anti-sexual-assault-and-domestic-violenc
e-organizations-in-support-of-full-and-equal-access-for-the-transgender-community
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Transgender - Non Religious
LGBT+ education sexualizes kids
1. LGBT+ education does not need to talk about the ins and outs of sex. It mainly tells
kids LGBT+ people exist and that's ok. You don't need to talk about sex to tell kids
that 2 people of the same gender can be in a relationship.
2. Why can't this argument be used against straight relationships? People teach kids about
these relationships from a young age directly or indirectly without talking about sex.
3. Acceptance of LGBT+ people in school and in general is positive for the mental health
of LGBT+ kids. It also has been shown to suicide rates.
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https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/
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General - Non Religious
LGBT+ education brainwashes kids
1. Some people say that LGBT+ education brainwashes kids into becoming LGBT+. LGBT+ education
mainly tells kids that LGBT+ people exist and that's ok. It's not forcing kids to become LGBT+.
You can't choose to be gay or trans (for trans you choice to transition but the cause for the
transition was not a choice).
2. There is no motivation for schools to do this.
3. Education will lead to an increase of people who are out but this is because education helps
kids find who they are. The kids were LGBT+ in the first place they just found who they were.
4. Acceptence of LGBT+ people in school and in general is positive for the mental health
of LGBT+ kids. It also lowered suicide rates.
5. Sexual fluidity caused by enviromental factors is often small (1 point on the Kinsey scale) not someone being turned gay. This only matters if education counts as a factor which it's probably not.
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https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1529100616637616
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General - Non Religious
There are only 2 genders
1. People have gender identities that are nonbinary and can people perform in a nonbinary way.
Gender is not determined by biological sex so the only way forward
is accepting non binary people.
2. Even if you say gender is caused by biological sex nonbinary people can still exist. Through surgery and HRT people can change important parts of their sex. For stuff like chromosomes see this.
3. Gender is a social construct making it much more nebulous than sex.
4. Sex is on a spectrum, some people can be more masculine than others and some people have a mix of sex characteristics. If
sex is on a spectrum then gender could be a spectrum too.
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Non Binary - Non Religious
Biological sex matters more than gender
1. A lot of TERFs say biological sex is more important than gender and a lot of their
arguments hinge on this. This is wrong. Biological sex is almost never used in day-to-day life and does not determine how people treat you.
2. While biological sex might be important in a relationship or the doctor's office these are edge cases and
still do not make biological sex more important than gender in day-to-day life.
3. Some TERFs say that gender being a social construct makes it unimportant. This is wrong
many social constructs are important for example money is a social construct and people
don't go around burning it.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Why can't I be a attack helicopter
1. This one is just silly, anyone seriously using this is a clown. A helicopter is a
nonhuman object. Gender is something completely different. You can change your gender
but you can't become a nonhuman object.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Why can't I be 60
1. This one is like the attack helicopter one but a bit more sensible though it's still
wrong. Being 60 is chronological and can't be changed. Gender is not chronologic but depends on other factorss.
Transgender people can't change what they were assigned as at
birth just like how people can't change their chronological age.
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Transgender - Non Religious
LGBT+ people just want attention
1. Being LGBT+ has a very personal element. Coming out or talking about someone is just
sharing information about themselves. Most people are not screaming about it.
2. LGBT+ people do want better representation and more rights but they are not asking for too
much. Most humans want human rights and just because there is representation in the media does
not mean the media is screaming about it every second.
3. Most people would not scream about being LGBT+ just for attention. This would make them
much more open to hate.
4. There is just something uncomfortable about being in the closet for a lot of LGBT+ people
and for transgender people who have to come out to make a transition.
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General - Non Religious
Same sex marriage redefine marriage
1. It does redefine marriage but this is not inherently bad. An opposite-sex marriage won't be
affected by the same-sex marriage existing. The people being affected are the people in
a same-sex marriage who are definitely happier.
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General - Non Religious
Kids are too young to know they are LGB+
1. Kids can know their sexuality from a young age. This can be in the form of childhood crushes
which can manifest at a young age or sexual attraction (or lack of) during puberty.
2. A person knows themselves the best and some experience likely caused a kid to find who they are.
By coming out this likely shows they have put some thought into their orientation.
3. No one tells kids that they are too young to be straight.
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https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/sexual-orientation.html
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Homosexuality - General - Non Religious
There is a "gay agenda"
1. The "gay agenda" is a derogatory word used to attack the LGBT+ rights movement. It says people
are pushing for LGBT+ rights. This is true. Of course, humans what human rights. Check the rest of this website for why
LGBT+ people deserve rights. "Gay agenda" is just a loaded/snarl word used to attack people who
are fighting LGBT+ rights without coming up with real arguments.
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General - Non Religious
Inclusive language erases women
1. Inclusive language does not erase women. For example, saying a pregnant person does still includes women (women are people) but it also includes
nonbinary people and transgender men. More inclusion is better so we should use inclusive language.
2. Transgender and nonbinary people need more representation. They are more oppressed than the average woman and more representation would defiantly be helpful.
3. Inclusive language is also helpful to cisgender people, saying pregnant person shows that not all women can get pregnant much more
directly.
4. We are not advocating for the destruction of free speech. We just think inclusive language is better than gendered language
and that it should be used more in appropriate settings. Inclusive language is also mainly used when addressing large amounts of people
and is not used for cisgender people on an individual basis.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Rapid onset gender dysphoria
1. Rapid-onset gender dysphoria (ROGD) is a term used by transphobic people to attack transgender kids today.
It sees being transgender as a social contagion spread by social media and through friend groups. A study
on ROGD was published so let's look at it. First, the study only questions parents and not kids. This could
lead to bias.
2. A problem with only questioning parents is that a parent may see their kid's dysphoria as rapid from the
outside because the kid was in the closet.
3. Also the study gets its data from a survey posted on transphobic websites like Transgender Trend. Of course,
if you ask for data from transphobic people the data is going to be transphobic.
4. The survey was posted on a pro-transgender site though this likely did not change the numbers that much.
See sources for more info.
5. This study has been criticized by many organizations and is widely rejected. A statement from a ton of
medical organizations discredits the term and calls for its removal from the medical world.
6. The study talks about how social media could cause kids to be transgender. It's likely the other way around
when kids find out they could be transgender they will likely go online to learn more about it and to
feel more excepted.
7. A better explanation for the higher amount of transgender kids is the increase of representation in the
media and the normalization of being transgender (we still have a long way to go on normalization).
8. The study only accepts results if they thought their kid's dysphoria onset rapidly. The study has no control
group.
9. Some claim the criticisms of the study are censorship. Of course, criticizing bad science is different from
censorship. The site hosting the study never took the study down.
10. While A updated study was released it did not fix that much. It mainly put emphasis on how the data came
from parents.
11. A survey question asked if the parents thought that transgender people should get equal rights are others.
Most of the parents said yes. The thing is these parents did not think their kids were transgender. The parents
would have thought transgender meant real transgender adults, not their kids. Also, equal rights may not have been interpreted as
the right for kids to transition.
12. The study also misused the DSM to ask its questions.
13. This does not mean cases of RODG don't exist at all though they likely would be in a
small minority because being transgender does seem to have biological causes.
14. We would recommend reading some of the formal responses as it's hard, to sum up, all the things wrong with
ROGD and the study on it in the quick summaries we give.
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https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0202330
https://www.caaps.co/rogd-statement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGmAMPO3CA
https://www.florenceashley.com/uploads/1/2/4/4/124439164/ashley_a_critical_commentary_on_rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria.pdf
https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/Public%20Policies/2018/9_Sept/WPATH%20Position%20on%20Rapid-Onset%20Gender%20Dysphoria_9-4-2018.pdf
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Transgender - Non Religious
Their are too many labels
1. Gender and sexuality are on a spectrum so lots of labels are required to label parts of the
spectrum.
2. Micro-labels can help people find out about themselves better.
3. If you don't like all the labels then don't use them.
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General - Non Religious
Gay people don't exist
1. This is simply wrong. A vast amount of research has shown the existence of gay people.
2. Some people say gay people have a repressed attraction to the opposite sex this is also wrong and
research backs this up.
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https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-kinsey-scale-5199426
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
People choose their sexuality
1. This is wrong. Homosexuality is determined by a mix of factors and is not a choice. A genome-wide association study
was run by tens of thousands of people and a large number of genes were associated with homosexuality. Twin studies have also been run showing genetic correlation.
2. Sexuality having a biological does not mean sexuality can't be fluid or be influenced it just
means people's "base" sexualities are set. For example, many people who identify as
straight can still have some amount of same-sex attraction from time to time but
they don't stop being heterosexual at their core. (perhaps this is a reason more people
identify as LGBT+)
3. Even if being gay was a choice why would that matter, it's no one's business.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7082777
https://geneticsexbehavior.info
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Leviticus 18:22 bans homosexuality
Being LGBT+ is against god's plan
1. People don't choose being LGBT+ people are born LGBT+ (sexuality - gender). If god did not like LGBT+ he would not have
given anyone those traits.
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General - Religious
Deuteronomy 22:5 ban transgender people from wearing gender affirming clothes
1. Masculine and feminine clothing has a loose definition. It varies from culture to culture and over time.
Masculine and feminine clothing can be subjective too and views about it can vary from person to person.
2. This passage does not necessarily talk about biological sex it could be talking about gender identity too.
After all biological sex does not souly determine gender.
3. This passage would probably not apply if it caused damage and not wearing gender-affirming clothing can cause damage to lots of transgender people because of dysphoria.
4. Read the article in the source for information on this passage.
5. Many passages are unethical or don't make sense by today's standards.
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https://www.genderspectrum.org/articles/faith-resources-clobber
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Transgender - Religious
Deuteronomy 23:1 bans gender affirming surgery
1. This passage is probably overridden if a surgery is necessary. Gender affirming surgery is often
necessary and not getting it can be very harmful and lead to suicide. Gender dysphoria is no joke. Also
conversion therapy does not work and can't be used as a treatment.
2. Isaiah 56:3-5 and Matthew 19:12 (also affirms intersex people) affirms eunuchs.
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https://www.genderspectrum.org/articles/faith-resources-clobber
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Transgender - Religious
Transgender people perpetuate gender stereotyping
1. This argument can be used against cisgender people too and anyone who conforms to gender roles. The only
people who are safe from this argument are gender non-conforming and nonbinary people.
2. You could argue transgender people do more to break down gender stereotyping because of how they defy gender norms.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQHZcU9ZqU
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Transgender - Non Religious
Biological sex is completely unchangeable
1. This is wrong many parts of biological sex are changeable from genitals to hormones. There is not one perfect signifier of
biological sex that is useful, biological sex is better thought of as a collection of traits. This way of thinking is much more
useful in a lot of cases and when thinking about gender.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Sex and gender is only your only your chromosomes
We have written a longer article on this. Click here for more information on this topic.
1. After people point out that many biological markers are changeable TERFs fall back to less changeable things.
The thing is these things don't matter and by medically transitioning you are removing their importance. They are also
invisible to everyone and only relatively recently discovered. Gender existed before then.
2. Chromosomes can be inconsistent.
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https://youtu.be/zRQHZcU9ZqU
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Transgender - Non Religious
People are defined by their AGAB
1. TERFs often say biological sex is more important than gender, but even after people many all meaningful parts
of their biological sex TERFs still don't accept that. This shows that some TERFs don't
believe in biological sex but believe in AGAB (they don't say this of course or are in denial). This is crazy, TERFs say that they
are grounded in reality but AGAB is not reality it's in the past.
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https://youtu.be/zRQHZcU9ZqU
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Transgender - Non Religious
Romans 1:27 says homosexuality is unnatural
1. I'm not as confident writing about bible passages and this one is a bit more complex than the other ones. For
information on this verse please read to sources in the description. I might try to write someone on this later.
I will still copy some of the affirming interpretations below.
2. "Human sexuality researchers and others who have studied the nature of sexual orientation might reject Paul's belief
that homosexuality is beyond the normal. Many religious liberals reject Paul's condemnation of homosexual behavior,
particularly when Paul's support for the oppression of women, and his acceptance of slavery as a normal social practice
in (Philemon 1:15 to 16) are considered. They might feel that this passage in 1 Romans should be rejected as immoral and
outside the will of God, much as other biblical passages are immoral by today's ethical standards and should be ignored
including those passages that regulated human slavery, required some hookers to be burned alive, advocated genocide,
required victims of rape to marry their rapist, allowed the torture of prisoners, and required the execution of
non-virgin brides."
3. "Paul didn't write it as a condemnation of homosexuality, but as a criticism of Greek behavior in temple worship.
Greeks often incorporated sexual behavior in temple worship." - J. Nelson
4. "The complete passage describes how a group of Christians left the church, converted to Paganism, and engaged in
orgiastic, presumably heterosexual sexual activities. This type of behavior was common among Pagan fertility religions
in Rome during Paul's time. Paul writes that, later, God "gave them over" to something new: homosexual behavior. This
implies that they had a heterosexual orientation and had engaged only in heterosexual sex throughout their lifetime.
God influenced them in some way to engage in homosexual orgies. This was, for them, an unnatural, and thus sinful, activity.
Paul criticized them because they were engaged in sexual activity which was unnatural for them. For a person with
a heterosexual orientation, homosexual behavior is "shameful," "unnatural," "indecent," and a "perversion." The passage
in Romans is not a condemnation of homosexual behavior. Rather, it disapproves of sexual behavior that is against a
person's basic nature (i.e. homosexual behaviors by people whose orientation is heterosexual)." - Dr. Swiney
5. "Some question whether the word "perversion" in Verse 27, and "such things" in Verse 30 are related to only certain
types of gay and lesbian behavior. e.g.: Homosexual orgies, or Group same-gender sexual practices in a religious setting.
This was a common practice among Pagans at the time; e.g. in the temples dedicated to the Goddess Aphrodite.
Casual homosexual activities outside of a committed, monogamous two person relationship, or Homosexual molestation between
a man and a child. In Paul's day, the child victim was often a slave. These probably were the only forms of same-sex
activity that Paul was familiar with. Paul may well have not been thinking of gays and lesbians in committed relationships
when he wrote this passage. He never referred to such couples in his writings, and may well have never encountered any
during his lifetime. He might simply have been condemning homosexual orgies and other sexual activities outside of a
monogamous same-sex relationship."
1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:9-10 bans homosexuality
LGBT+ get "special treatment"
1. No we don't we are asking for equality. There are many counties where being LGBT+ is illegal.
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General - Non Religious
TERF is a slur
1. TERF is used when a feminist is being trans-exclusionary. It's used when someone actually someone fits the definition.
2. TERF does have a negative connotation but that is because being trans-exclusionary is negative. If you want to know why to check
out the transgender page of arguments.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Women/Gay people become transgender to escape sexism/homophobia
1. Why would someone move from an oppressed group into an even more oppressed group? Being transgender can be dangerous.
2. Transitioning takes a lot of effort and a lot of time. It is very challenging. People don't do it for comparatively small
reasons.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Anti discrimination laws attack religious freedom
1. Anti-discrimination protect people of color and almost no one is complaining about that. Protecting LGBT+ people is a logical next
step as LGBT+ people can't choose their attributes too.
2. Discrimination against people is different from religious freedom. Discrimination is actually harmful while religious freedom
is not.
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General - Religious
Transgender people choose to be trans
Same sex marriage attacks religious freedom
1. A same-sex marriage is a consenting relationship between 2 people and does not affect religious people at all.
2. For discrimination in general see this argument.
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Homosexuality - Religious
Asexuality does not exist / is not valid
Kids are too young to know they are transgender
Marriage is a holy Christian union
1. Marriage is not A exclusively Christian thing marriage spans many cultures and was around before Christianity.
2. Marriage can also be civil. Even if you don't support religious same-sex marriage you can support civil same-sex marriage.
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/if-not-gods-authority-who_b_8090588
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Homosexuality - Religious
Transgender people have autogynephilia
1. The autogynephilia theory does not line up with what transgender people say. For this theory to be true most transgender people
must be lying and with the transgender community having hundreds of thousands of members this is inconceivable. Claiming that all
transgender people are lying also makes the theory unfalsifiable by making it impossible to get counterevidence which is
very problematic.
2. Transition is a long, hard, and expensive process it seems very unlikely that anyone would go through it just because of autogynephilia.
3. We are not saying no one has autogynephilia there are certainly one-off cases. The problem is autogynephilia has not been seen
on a wide scale.
4. The medical community agrees that autogynephilia is mostly fake. See the sources for more information on problems with autogynephilia and
academic responses to it.
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http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-real-autogynephilia-deniers.html
https://www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-CaseAgainstAutogynephilia.pdf
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00918369.2010.486241
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Transgender - Non Religious
Pronouns refer to biology
1. Pronouns refer to gender. This is how they are used most often. When people use pronouns they generally go on looks or on people's
preferences. Biology is not used often. If we define a word by how people use it pronouns refer to gender.
2. Gender is changeable in most contexts so if pronouns refer to gender which they do you the most accurate thing is to respect them.
3. Using the right pronouns is easy and using the wrong ones is damaging.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Transgender people hurt the military
1. Research shows that transgender people serving in the military does not hurt its effectiveness.
2. Transgender people serving does not cost the military that much. In the US transition-related healthcare is estimated to take up 0.04% to 0.13% of military healthcare expenditures.
3. Transgender people being banned from the military would hurt it by removing people who could strengthen it.
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https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html
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Transgender - Non Religious
There are more important problems in the world to work on than LGBT+ rights
1. Just because there are bigger problems does not mean relatively smaller problems should not be focused on. If we spend all our money on the world's biggest problem the world would be a mess.
2. By this logic anti LGBT+ people should not be working on taking away LGBT+ rights because there are bigger problems in the world.
3. Some people are better at working on certain problems like LGBT+ rights so would make the world better by working on those.
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General - Non Religious
Kids are rushed into transition
Gay people molest child more than others
Conversion therapy works and/or does not harm people
