Homosexuality encourages bad acts
1. People say that accepting/being homosexual will lead to the acceptance/doing
of other stuff like zoophilia or pedophilia. This is a slippery slope argument
just because people do one things does not mean people will start doing another thing.
2. Why can't this argument be used against heterosexuality, the only big difference is
The gender you are attracted to.
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Same sex marriage is not traditional
1. This argument implies that the traditional definition of marriage (between a man and
a woman) is inherently better. Just because something is old and has been done for a
long time does not mean it's better. For example slavery is a old "tradition" done in
many old civilizations but it's not good.
2. Homosexual relationships were a tradition in some parts of the world along with other things like polygamy
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Homosexuality is disgusting
1. Just be cause a person thinks something is disgusting does not mean it's bad. I think
some foods are disgusting but that does not mean the foods are bad for you or that they
should be wiped from the face of the earth.
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Homosexuality is a mental disorder
1. First of all the definition of a mental disorder states that it must cause harm to a
person or impair their function. Homosexuality does not do this, homosexual people live
Their life normally apart from who they are attracted to.
2. Also homosexuality is not in the current version of the DSM, it was removed in the
DSM3-R.
3. Even if homosexuality was a mental disorder why should people deny them rights. It
would be ableist.
4. Also if it was a mental disorder why would this matter? A mental disorder is just a
label and being homosexual does not reduce people's ability to function.
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https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mental+disorder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_DSM
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Being transgender/non binary is a new trend
1. Some people like to say that being transgender or non binary is just a recent trend.
This is wrong and transgender and non binary people have been found throughout history.
2. While it is true more people identify as transgender/non binary now then before this because of the LGBT+ movement
helping people find themselves. We have writen a article on why more people are LGBT+ see it here
3. you could call it a "trend" it's better then the
trend of being stuck with gender dysphoria with nothing to do about it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history
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Transgender - Non Binary - Non Religious
Homosexuals don't reproduce
1. Some people say this as a negative but it might be a plus. More babies contributes to
overpopulation. Also Same sex couples often adopt children and adoption is considered good.
Also same sex parents adopting does not harm childred.
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Genesis 1:27 says there are only 2 genders
1. There are many ways this can be approached. First god makes everything on a spectrum.
when god made day and night he also made the morning and evening. When god made the land
and sea he also made beaches. So why can't god have made things in the middle.
2. Jumping off the last point intersex people exist. Showing god did make people in-between male and female
they are even affirmed in Matthew 19:12.
3. Also this verse can be viewed as symbolism for the creation of humanity.
4. Also this verse refers to biological sex not gender identity which are both different things.
5. Also god did not list everything he created so other stuff exists but was just not listed.
6. Also this verse said "male and female" not "male or female" showing that male and female were not exclusive.
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http://www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people/
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Non Binary - Religious
Sex and gender are the same thing
Giving bathroom rights to transgender people puts cisgender people in danger
We have written a longer article on this. Click here for more information on this topic.
1. Giving transgender people bathroom rights dose not endanger cisgender people. There is no
Link between giving these rights and increased violence.
2. While there are one off cases of transgender people attacking people in bathrooms you can't
Use the actions of individuals to attack a whole group.
3. Also discriminatory laws probably won't be too helpful. There is nothing stopping people
from just violating these rules because people can still walk into bathrooms a law won't
physically stop them from using the other bathroom.
4. This is more a issue for transgender people because going into the wrong bathroom makes them
more likely to have hate crimes and violence perpetrated against them.
5. Transgender people going into the wrong bathroom would also be very bad for mental health.
6. These discriminatory laws are unenforceable. Would people need to pull down there pants or
use an ID just to use the bathroom?
7. Giving bathroom rights to transgender people benefits them because it does not hurt
cisgender people so there is a net gain for bathroom rights. This argument is just a
mask for transphobic people to attack the existence of transgender people.
8. Saying transgender people can't use the right restroom because they might attack people is
like saying homosexual people can't use the right restroom because they might attack people.
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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-018-0335-z
https://transequality.org/what-experts-say
https://www.4vawa.org/ntf-action-alerts-and-news/2018/4/12/national-consensus-statement-of-anti-sexual-assault-and-domestic-violenc
e-organizations-in-support-of-full-and-equal-access-for-the-transgender-community
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Transgender - Non Religious
LGBT+ education sexualizes kids
1. LGBT+ education does not need to talk about the ins and outs of sex. It manly tells
kids LGBT+ people exist and that's ok. You don't need to talk about sex to tell kids
that 2 people of the same gender can be in a relationship.
2. Why can't this argument be used against straight relationships. People teach kids about
these relationships from a young age directly or indirectly without talking about sex.
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General - Non Religious
LGBT+ education brainwashes kids
1. Some people say that LGBT+ education brainwashes kids into becoming LGBT+. LGBT+ education
manly tells kids that LGBT+ people exist and that's ok. It's not forcing kids to become LGBT+.
You can't choose to be gay or trans (for trans you choice to transition but the cause for the
transition was not a choice).
2. There is no motivation for schools to do this.
3. This will lead to a increase of people who are out but this is because the education helps
kids find who they are. The kids were LGBT+ in the first place they just found who they were.
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General - Non Religious
There are only 2 genders
1. People have gender identities that are non binary and people preform in a non binary way.
Gender is not determined by biological sex so the only way forward
is accepting non binary people.
2. Gender is a social construct making it much more nebulous than sex.
3. Gender was created as a compliment to sex. Intersex people exist, this means there are sexes between male and female.
This means a gender must compliment these people in between. Transgender people exist
so people not born intersex are able be these non binary genders.
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Non Binary - Non Religious
Biological sex matters more than gender
1. A lot of TERFs say biological sex is more important than gender and a lot of their
arguments hinge on this. This is wrong. Biological sex is almost never used in day to
day life and does not determine how people treat you.
2. While biological sex might be important in a relationship this is a single case and
Still does not make biological sex more important than gender in day to day life.
3. Some TERFs say that gender being a social construct makes it unimportant. This is wrong
many social constructs are important for example money is a social construct and people
don't go around burning it.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Why can't I be a attack helicopter
1. This one is just silly, anyone seriously using this is a clown. A helicopter is a
non human object. A gender is something completely different. You can change your gender
but you can't become a non human object.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Why can't I be 60
1. This one is like the attack helicopter one but a bit more sensible though it's still
wrong. Being 60 is chronological and can't be changed. Gender is not chronologic but is
what your gender identity is. Transgender people can't change what they were assigned as at
birth just like how people can't change their chronological age.
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Transgender - Non Religious
LGBT+ people just want attention
1. Being LGBT+ has a very personal element. By coming out or talking about someone is just
sharing information about themselves. Most people are not screaming about it.
2. LGBT+ people do want better representation and more rights but they are not asking for too
much. Most humans want human rights and just because there is representation in the media does
not mean the media is screaming about it every second.
3. Most people would not scream about being LGBT+ just for the attention. This would make them
much more open to hate.
4. There is just something uncomfortable about being in the closet for a lot of LGBT+ people
and for transgender people they have to come out to make a transition.
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General - Non Religious
Same sex mariage redefine mariage
1. It does redefine marriage but this it not inherently bad. A opposite sex marriage won't be
effected by a same sex marriage existing. The people being effected are the people in the
same sex marriage who are definitely more happy.
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General - Non Religious
Kids are too young to know they are LGB+
1. Kids can know their sexuality from a young age. This can be in the form of childhood crushes
which can manifest at a young age or sexual attraction (or lack of) during puberty.
2. A person knows themselves the best and some experience likely caused a kid find who they are.
By coming out this likely shows they have put some thought into their orientation.
3. No-one tells kids that they are too young to be straight.
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https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/sexual-orientation.html
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Homosexuality - General - Non Religious
There is a "gay agenda"
1. The "gay agenda" a derogatory word used to describe the LGBT+ rights movement. It says people
are pushing for LGBT+ rights. This is true. Of course humans what human rights. Check the rest of this website for why
LGBT+ people deserve rights. "Gay agenda" is just a loaded/snarl word used to attack people who
are fighting LGBT+ rights without coming up with real arguments.
2. We should also say there is no "rainbow illuminati" controlling the world. If someone thinks this then they are too far down
the rabbit hole to be saved.
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General - Non Religious
Inclusive language erases woman
1. Inclusive language does not erase woman. For example saying pregnant person does still includes woman but it also includes
non binary people and transgender men. More inclusion is better so we should use inclusive language.
2. Most people are not advocating for the destruction of gendered speech and just for more inclusive language when addressing large
amounts of people. For example it's still ok to use gendered language in a small group of cis people or with a single person.
3. Transgender and non binary people need more representation. They are more oppressed than the average woman (we are not saying
woman are not oppressed) and more representation would defiantly be helpful.
4. We are not advocating for the destruction of free speech. We just think inclusive language is better than gendered language
and that it should be used more.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Rapid onset gender dysphoria
1. Rapid onset gender dysphoria (ROGD) is a term used by transphobic people to attack transgender kids today.
It looks at being transgender as a social contagion spread by social media and though friend groups. A study
on ROGD was published so let's look at it. First the study only questions parents and not kids. This could
lead to bias.
2. A problem with only questioning parents is that a parent may see their kid's dysphoria as rapid from the
outside because the kid was in the closet.
3. Also the study gets it data from a survey posted on transphobic websites like transgender trend. Of course
if you ask for data from transphobic people the data is going to be transphobic.
4. The survey was posted on a pro transgender site though this likely did not change the numbers that much.
See sources for more info.
5. This study has been criticized by many organizations and is widely rejected. A statement from a ton of
medical organizations discredits the term and calls for its removal from the medical world.
6. The study talks about how social media could cause kids to be transgender. It's likely the other way around
when a kids finds out they could be transgender they will likely go online to learn more about it and to
feel more excepted.
7. A better explanation for the higher amount of transgender kids is the increase of representation in the
media and the normalization of being transgender (we still have a long way to go on normalization).
8. The study only accepts results if they though their kids dysphoria onset rapidly. The study has no control
group.
9. I would recommend reading some of the formal responses as it's hard to sum up all the things wrong with
ROGD and the study on it in the quick summaries we give.
10. Some claim the criticisms of the study are censorship. Of course criticizing bad science is different from
censorship. The site hosting the study never took the study down.
11. While A updated study was released it did not fix that much. It manly put enfaces on how the data came
from parents.
12. A survey question asked if the parents thought that transgender people should get equal rights are others.
Most of the parents said yes. The thing is these parents did not think their kids were transgender. The parents
would have thought transgender ment real transgender adults not their kids. Also equal rights may not have been interpreted as
the right for kids transition.
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https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0202330
https://www.caaps.co/rogd-statement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iGmAMPO3CA
https://www.florenceashley.com/uploads/1/2/4/4/124439164/ashley_a_critical_commentary_on_rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria.pdf
https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/Public%20Policies/2018/9_Sept/WPATH%20Position%20on%20Rapid-Onset%20Gender%20Dysphoria_9-4-2018.pdf
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Transgender - Non Religious
Their are too many labels
1. Gender and sexuality are on a spectrum so lots of labels are required to label parts of the
spectrum.
2. Micro-labels can help people find out about themselves better.
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General - Non Religious
Homosexuals don't exist
1. This is simple wrong. A vast amount of research has shown the existence of homosexual people.
2. Some people say homosexuals have a repressed attraction to the opposite sex this is also wrong and
research backs this up.
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https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-kinsey-scale-5199426
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
People choose their sexuality
1. This is wrong. Homosexuality is determined by genes and is not a choice. A genome wide association study
was run tens of thousands of people and a large number of genes were associated to homosexuality.
2. Twin studies have also been run showing genetic correlation.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7082777
https://geneticsexbehavior.info
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Leviticus 18:22 bans homosexuality
Being LGBT+ is against god's plan
1. People don't choose being LGBT+ people are born LGBT+ (sexuality - gender). If god did not like LGBT+ he would not have
given anyone those traits.
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General - Religious
Deuteronomy 22:5 ban transgender people from wearing gender affirming clothes
1. Masculine and feminine clothing has a loose definition. It varies from culture to culture and over time.
Masculine and feminine clothing can be subjective too and views about it can vary from person to person.
2. This passage does not necessarily talk about biological sex it could be talking about gender identity too.
After all biological sex does not determine gender.
3. Read the article in the source for information on this passage.
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https://www.genderspectrum.org/articles/faith-resources-clobber
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Transgender - Religious
Deuteronomy 23:1 bans gender affirming surgery
1. This passage is probably overridden if a surgery is necessary. Gender affirming surgery is often
necessary and not getting it can be very harmful and lead to suicide. Gender dysphoria is no joke. Also
conversion therapy does not work and can't be used as a treatment.
2. Isaiah 56:3-5 and Matthew 19:12 (also affirms intersex people) affirms eunuchs (people without dicks.)
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https://www.genderspectrum.org/articles/faith-resources-clobber
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Transgender - Religious
Transgender people perpetuate gender stereotyping
1. This argument can be used against cisgender people too and anyone who conforms to gender roles. The only
people who are safe from this argument are gender non conforming and non binary people.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQHZcU9ZqU
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Transgender - Non Religious
Biological sex is unchangeable
1. This is wrong many parts of biological sex are changeable from genitals (not perfect) to hormones.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Sex and gender is only your only your chromosomes
We have written a longer article on this. Click here for more information on this topic.
1. After people point out that many biological markers are changeable TERFs fall back to less changeable things.
The thing is these things don't matter and by medically transitioning your removing their importance. They are also
invisible to everyone and only relatively recently discovered. Gender existed before then.
2. Chromosomes can be inconsistent.
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https://youtu.be/zRQHZcU9ZqU
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Transgender - Non Religious
People are defined by their AGAB
1. TERFs often say biological sex is more important than gender, but even after people change all meaningful parts
of their biological sex TERFs still don't accept that. Lily Alexandre pointed out that this shows that TERFs don't
believe in biological sex but believe in AGAB (they don't say this of course). This is crazy, TERFs say that they
are grounded in reality but AGAB is not reality it's in the past.
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https://youtu.be/zRQHZcU9ZqU
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Transgender - Non Religious
Romans 1:27 says homosexuality is unnatural
1. I'm not as confident writing about bible passages and this one is a bit more complex than the other ones. For
information on this verse please read to sources in the description. I might try to write someone on this later.
I will still copy some of the affirming interpretations below.
2. "Human sexuality researchers and others who have studied the nature of sexual orientation might reject Paul's belief
that homosexuality is beyond the normal. Many religious liberals reject Paul's condemnation of homosexual behavior,
particularly when Paul's support for the oppression of women, and his acceptance of slavery as a normal social practice
in (Philemon 1:15 to 16) are considered. They might feel that this passage in 1 Romans should be rejected as immoral and
outside the will of God, much as other biblical passages are immoral by today's ethical standards and should be ignored
including those passages that regulated human slavery, required some hookers to be burned alive, advocated genocide,
required victims of rape to marry their rapist, allowed the torture of prisoners, and required the execution of
non-virgin brides."
3. "Paul didn't write it as a condemnation of homosexuality, but as a criticism of Greek behavior in temple worship.
Greeks often incorporated sexual behavior in temple worship." - J. Nelson
4. "The complete passage describes how a group of Christians left the church, converted to Paganism, and engaged in
orgiastic, presumably heterosexual sexual activities. This type of behavior was common among Pagan fertility religions
in Rome during Paul's time. Paul writes that, later, God "gave them over" to something new: homosexual behavior. This
implies that they had a heterosexual orientation and had engaged only in heterosexual sex throughout their lifetime.
God influenced them in some way to engage in homosexual orgies. This was, for them, an unnatural, and thus sinful, activity.
Paul criticized them because they were engaged in sexual activity which was unnatural for them. For a person with
a heterosexual orientation, homosexual behavior is "shameful," "unnatural," "indecent," and a "perversion." The passage
in Romans is not a condemnation of homosexual behavior. Rather, it disapproves of sexual behavior that is against a
person's basic nature (i.e. homosexual behaviors by people whose orientation is heterosexual)." - Dr. Swiney
5. "Some question whether the word "perversion" in Verse 27, and "such things" in Verse 30 are related to only certain
types of gay and lesbian behavior. e.g.: Homosexual orgies, or Group same-gender sexual practices in a religious setting.
This was a common practice among Pagans at the time; e.g. in the temples dedicated to the Goddess Aphrodite.
Casual homosexual activities outside of a committed, monogamous two person relationship, or Homosexual molestation between
a man and a child. In Paul's day, the child victim was often a slave. These probably were the only forms of same-sex
activity that Paul was familiar with. Paul may well have not been thinking of gays and lesbians in committed relationships
when he wrote this passage. He never referred to such couples in his writings, and may well have never encountered any
during his lifetime. He might simply have been condemning homosexual orgies and other sexual activities outside of a
monogamous same-sex relationship."
1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:9-10 bans homosexuality
LGBT+ get "special treatment"
1. No we don't we are asking for equality. There are many counties where being LGBT+ is illegal.
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General - Non Religious
TERF is a slur
1. TERF is used when a "feminist" is being trans exclusionary. It's used when someone actually someone fits the definition.
2. TERF does have a negative connotation but that is because being trans exclusionary is negative. If you want to know why check
out the transgender page of arguments.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Woman/homosexuals become transgender to escape sexism/homophobia
1. Why would someone move from an oppressed group into an even more oppressed group. Being transgender is dangerous.
2. Transitioning takes a lot of effort and a lot of time. It is very challenging. People don't do it for comparatively small
reasons.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Anti discrimination laws attack religious freedom
1. Anti discrimination protect people of color and no one is complaining about that. Protecting LGBT+ people is a logical next
step as LGBT+ were born with their attributes too. See our sections and sexual orientation and gender identity for more info.
2. Discrimination against people is different from religious freedom. Discrimination is actually harmful while religious freedom
is not.
3. Being LGBT+ is not a sin anyways (by christian standards) check out the religious arguments on this site for more information.
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General - Religious
Transgender people choose to be trans
Same sex marriage attacks religious freedom
1. A same sex marriage is a consenting relationship between 2 people and does not affect religious people at all.
2. For discrimination in general see this argument.
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Homosexuality - Religious
Asexuality does not exist / is not vaild
Kids are too young to know they are transgender
Bisexual people are confused
Transgender people have autogynephilia
1. The autogynephilia theory does not line up with what transgender people say. For this theory to be true most transgender people
must be lying and with the transgender community having hundreds of thousands of members this is inconceivable. Claiming that all
transgender people are lying also makes the theory unfalsifiable by making it impossible to get counter evidence which is
very problematic.
2. Transition is a long, hard, and expensive process it seems very unlikely that anyone would go though it just because of autogynephilia.
3. We are not saying no one has autogynephilia there are certainly one off cases. The problem is autogynephilia has not been seen
on a wide scale.
4. The medical community argees that autogynephilia is mostly fake. See the sources for more information on problems with autogynephilia and
academic responses to it.
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http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-real-autogynephilia-deniers.html
https://www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-CaseAgainstAutogynephilia.pdf
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00918369.2010.486241
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Transgender - Non Religious
Pronouns refer to biologly
1. Pronouns refer to gender. This is how they are used most often. When people use pronouns they generally go on looks. No one uses
biology. If we define a word by how people use it pronouns refer to gender.
2. Gender is changeable so if pronouns refer to gender which they do you the most accurate thing is to respect them.
3. Using the right pronouns is easy and using the wrong ones is damaging.
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Transgender - Non Religious
