Homosexuality is unnatural
1. Saying homosexuality is unnatural is simply not true. It has been documented in over 450 species of mammals worldwide and may come with certain evolutionary advantages.
2. Even if homosexuality was unnatural this does not tell anything about it being bad. Many things people consider to be unnatural are good. For example modern medicine, housing, and computers. Also, many things people treat as natural are bad like getting killed by an animal, disease, and natural disasters.
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https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/do-animals-exhibit-homosexuality
https://books.google.com.ua/books?id=tmFJ1LhbVWcC
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Same-sex marriage is not traditional
1. This argument implies that the traditional definition of marriage (between a man and a woman) is inherently better. Just because something is old and has been done for a long time does not mean it's better. For example, slavery is an old "tradition" in many old civilizations but it's not good. The definition where gay people can get married is better because it gives them equal rights and allows them to participate in society more freely.
2. Same-sex relationships did happen in many parts of the world throughout history.
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https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/homosexuality/
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Homosexuality is disgusting
1. Just because a person thinks something is disgusting does not mean it's bad. People think some foods are disgusting but that does not mean the foods are bad for you or that they should be wiped from the face of the earth.
2. The only difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality is the gender someone likes. There is nothing to be disgusted about.
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Homosexuality is a mental disorder
1. First of all, the definition of a mental disorder states that it must cause harm to a person or impair their function. Homosexuality does not do this, gay people live their life normally with the only difference being who they are attracted to.
2. Homosexuality is not in the current version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5-TR), it was removed in the DSM-3-R in 1973.
3. Today, major medical groups don't consider homosexuality to be a disorder. For example, the American Psychological Association applauded the decision to depathologize homosexuality and called for the ending of discrimination against gay people.
4. Even if homosexuality was a mental disorder why should people deny gay people rights? It would still be discrimination.
5. If being gay was considered a mental disorder, why would this matter? A mental disorder is just a label and being gay does not reduce people's ability to function.
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https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/mental+disorder
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4695779/
https://www.apa.org/about/policy/discrimination
https://www.hrc.org/resources/policy-and-position-statements-on-conversion-therapy
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Gay people don't reproduce
1. Some people say this is a negative but it might be a plus. More babies contribute to
overpopulation.
2. Same-sex couples often adopt children, and adoption is considered good. Across the US alone, there are more than 113,000 children up for adoption. Same-sex parents help give these children a home, and same-sex couples adopting does not harm children.
3. Why is this a problem in the first place? Life and relationships are much more than just reproducing.
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https://www.davethomasfoundation.org/about-us/faq/
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Genesis 1:27 says there are only 2 genders
1. There are many ways this can be approached. First, god makes everything on a spectrum. When god made day and night, he also made morning and evening. When god made the land and sea, he also made beaches. So why can't god have made things in the middle?
2. Jumping off the last point, intersex people exist. Showing god did make people in-between male and female they are even affirmed in Matthew 19:12.
3. This verse can be viewed as symbolism for the creation of humanity and not a gender binary.
4. This verse refers to biological sex, not gender identity or social gender which are different things.
5. God did not list everything he created, so other stuff like nonbinary and intersex people exists but were just not listed.
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http://www.bibleandhomosexuality.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-transgender-people/
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Non Binary - Religious
Sex and gender are the same thing
Giving bathroom rights to transgender people puts cisgender women in danger
1. Bans on transgender people from using the correct bathroom are misguided, for starters, these bans don't protect cisgender women. If someone wanted to sexually assault women in a bathroom, be it a transgender woman or a cisgender man dressed as a woman, a bathroom ban would not deter them. Sexual assault is already illegal with harsh penalties. So if someone tries to sexually assault people regardless of the punishments, the much smaller penalties imposed by a bathroom ban would do nothing to stop them. Research indicates that policies that ban transgender bathroom discrimination do not affect the number of sexual assaults.
2. While bathroom bans do nothing to help cisgender women, they do serious harm to transgender people. Implementing bathroom bans would put transgender people in an unwinnable situation. They could use the bathroom matching their assigned sex at birth, which would open them up to sexual assault and harassment. A study found schools with discriminatory bathroom policies had to increase in sexual assaults for transgender youth. They could use the bathroom matching their gender identity, which would put them at risk of legal trouble. Finally, they could detransition in public which would lead to increased gender dysphoria, worse mental health and damage their freedom of expression.
3. Research links bathroom bans to worse mental health for transgender people. One study found that transgender youth who faced bathroom discrimination were more likely to consider suicide and have worse mental health. Research also suggests that transgender-inclusive environments which would include bathroom accommodations lead to better mental health for transgender people.
4. Many experts and groups oppose bathroom bans. An open letter signed by many sexual assault prevention organizations opposed bathroom bans. Many medical groups like the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics also oppose bathroom restrictions.
5. If bathroom bans were implemented, they would be very hard to enforce. Using IDs would be impractical and going off looks would fail to catch many people. Enforcing bathroom bans would also waste useful police resources that would have been better spent fighting real sexual predators.
6. Another issue with enforcing bathroom bans and with transgender bathroom discrimination in general is that it would affect cisgender people. Because looks would be the only practical way to enforce bathroom bans, cisgender women who do not look feminine enough or cisgender men who do not look masculine enough would be kicked from bathrooms and discriminated against. This has happened before, there are real cases of cisgender women be harassed for using the women's bathroom after being mistaken for being transgender women. This type of side effect of bathroom bans would also hurt freedom of expression.
7. Transgender people have had access to bathrooms for years with little issue. Even though isolated cases of transgender people assaulting people in bathrooms exist, this is not an excuse to pass bathroom bans because the actions of one person don't represent an entire group.
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https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-018-0335-z
https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/143/6/e20182902/76816/School-Restroom-and-Locker-Room-Restrictions-and
https://www.jahonline.org/article/S1054-139X(20)30653-4/fulltext
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01612840.2021.1961330
https://www.4vawa.org/ntf-action-alerts-and-news/2018/4/12/national-consensus-statement-of-anti-sexual-assault-and-domestic-violence-organizations-in-support-of-full-and-equal-access-for-the-transgender-community
https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/population-care/exclusionary-bathroom-policies-harm-transgender-students
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/19021/AAP-continues-to-support-care-of-transgender
https://transequality.org/what-experts-say
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Transgender - Non Religious
LGBT+ education sexualizes students
1. LGBT+ education does not need to talk directly about sex. It mainly tells kids that LGBT+ people exist and that's ok. You don't need to talk about sex to tell students that 2 people of the same gender can be in a relationship.
2. This argument can this argument be used against straight relationships. People teach kids about these relationships from a young age directly and indirectly without talking about sex.
3. Acceptance of LGBT+ people in school and in general is positive for the mental health of LGBT+ youth. Research has shown that LGBT+-accepting schools are linked with less bullying, more safety, better grades and lower suicide attempt rates for LGBT+ students.
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https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/
https://www.glsen.org/research/2021-national-school-climate-survey
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General - Non Religious
LGBT+ education brainwashes students
1. Some people say that LGBT+ education brainwashes kids into becoming LGBT+. LGBT+ education
mainly tells kids that LGBT+ people exist and that's ok. It's not forcing kids to become LGBT+.
You can't choose to be gay or trans (for trans you choice to transition but the cause for the
transition was not a choice).
2. There is no motivation for schools to do this.
3. Education will lead to an increase of people who are out but this is because education helps
kids find who they are. The kids were LGBT+ in the first place they just found who they were.
4. Acceptence of LGBT+ people in school and in general is positive for the mental health
of LGBT+ kids. It also lowered suicide rates.
5. Sexual fluidity caused by enviromental factors is often small (1 point on the Kinsey scale) not someone being turned gay. This only matters if education counts as a factor which it's probably not.
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https://www.thetrevorproject.org/survey-2022/
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1529100616637616
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General - Non Religious
Transition hurts people
See this page here for a more in depth look at this argument
1. Transition has been shown to better people's mental health in many studies. One meta-analysis found that, out of 55 studies, 51 concluded transition was effective, the other 4 showed inconclusive or mixed results but not negative.
2. Regret and detransition rates are low for transition, studies on average find that 97% of transgender people don't regret their transition.
Detransition is often not even caused by someone not being transgender, it's often caused by transphobia or social pressure.
3. While some studies claim to show transition is ineffective these studies are in the minority and often have flaws.
4. Many medical organizations support the fact that transition works.
5. While there are side effects, most experts agree that the benefits outway the harms. People are also closely monitored during treatment so treatment it can be altered or stopped if side effects present problems. Also, we don't ban anti-depressants because they can sometimes present side effects.
6. Before transitioning, people are screened by experts and will have time to make an informed decision.
7. The same medicine used in transition is used in other types of treatment with little controversy.
8. One claim sometimes made is that because money can be a motive behind gender-affiriming care it's inherently bad. However this claim is flawed, money does not decide whether a treatment is good or bad because good treatments often cost money.
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https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
http://genderanalysis.net/2015/09/paul-mchugh-is-wrong-transitioning-is-effective-gender-analysis-10/
https://csrainbow.neocities.org/resources/medical.html
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Transgender - Non Religious
Transgender people don't exist
1. The notion that gender is purely biological and innate is problematic in many ways. For staters biology is not innate, many parts of biology like genital structure and secondary sex characteristics can be changed.
2. Another problem is that purely using biology to define gender is not useful, in many real world situations, biology takes a back seat to other characteristics.
3. Defining gender purely using biology also does not give credit to other characteristics associated with gender like expression and psychology.
4. Now that we have shown that using only biology is not a good way of looking at gender in most contexts, we can talk about transgender people. Transgender people are able to change many useful and important characteristics associated with gender. If someone identifies as a gender, presents as a gender, medically transitions to that gender and everyone knows them as that gender then they might as well be that gender.
5. One particularly important characteristic is gender identity. Respecting gender identity is a good idea because of mental health considerations and because it's very real to people.
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Transgender - Non Religious
There are only 2 genders
1. People have gender identities that are nonbinary and can people express themselves in neutral way.
Gender is not determined by biological sex so the only way forward
is accepting non binary people.
2. Even if you say gender is caused by biological sex nonbinary people can still exist. Through surgery and HRT people can change important parts of their sex. For stuff like chromosomes see this.
3. Gender is a social construct making it much more nebulous than sex.
4. Sex is on a spectrum, some people can be more masculine than others and some people have a mix of sex characteristics. If
sex is on a spectrum then gender could be a spectrum too.
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Non Binary - Non Religious
Biological sex matters more than gender
1. A lot of TERFs say biological sex is more important than gender and a lot of their
arguments hinge on this. This is wrong. Biological sex is almost never used in day-to-day life and does not determine how people treat you.
2. While biological sex might be important in a relationship or the doctor's office these are edge cases and
still do not make biological sex more important than gender in day-to-day life.
3. Some TERFs say that gender being a social construct makes it unimportant. This is wrong
many social constructs are important for example money is a social construct and people
don't go around burning it.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Why can't I be a attack helicopter
1. This one is just silly, anyone seriously using this is a clown. A helicopter is a
nonhuman object. Gender is something completely different. You can change your gender
but you can't become a nonhuman object.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Why can't I be 60
1. This one is like the attack helicopter one but a bit more sensible though it's still
wrong. Being 60 is chronological and can't be changed. Gender is not chronologic but depends on other factorss.
Transgender people can't change what they were assigned as at
birth just like how people can't change their chronological age.
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Transgender - Non Religious
LGBT+ people just want attention
1. Being LGBT+ has a very personal element. Coming out or talking about someone is just
sharing information about themselves. Most people are not screaming about it.
2. LGBT+ people do want better representation and more rights but they are not asking for too
much. Most humans want human rights and just because there is representation in the media does
not mean the media is screaming about it every second.
3. Most people would not scream about being LGBT+ just for attention. This would make them
much more open to hate.
4. There is just something uncomfortable about being in the closet for a lot of LGBT+ people
5. Transgender people often need to come out to make a transition.
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General - Non Religious
Same-sex marriage redefine marriage
1. It does redefine marriage, but this is not inherently bad. An opposite-sex marriage won't be
affected by the same-sex marriage existing. The people being affected are the people in
a same-sex marriage who are definitely happier.
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General - Non Religious
Kids are too young to know they are LGB+
1. Kids can know their sexuality from a young age. This can be in the form of childhood crushes
which can manifest at a young age or sexual attraction (or lack of) during puberty.
2. A person knows themselves the best and some experience likely caused a kid to find who they are.
By coming out this likely shows they have put some thought into their orientation.
3. No one tells kids that they are too young to be straight.
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https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/sexual-orientation.html
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Homosexuality - General - Non Religious
There is a "gay agenda"
1. The "gay agenda" is a derogatory word used to attack the LGBT+ rights movement. It says people
are pushing for LGBT+ rights. This is true. Of course, humans what human rights. Check the rest of this website for why
LGBT+ people deserve rights. "Gay agenda" is just a loaded/snarl word used to attack people who
are fighting LGBT+ rights without coming up with real arguments.
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General - Non Religious
Inclusive language erases women
1. Inclusive language does not erase women. For example, saying a pregnant person does still includes women (women are people) but it also includes
nonbinary people and transgender men. More inclusion is better so we should use inclusive language.
2. Transgender and nonbinary people need more representation. They are more oppressed than the average woman and more representation would defiantly be helpful.
3. Inclusive language is also helpful to cisgender people, saying pregnant person shows that not all women can get pregnant much more
directly.
4. We are not advocating for the destruction of free speech. We just think inclusive language is better than gendered language
and that it should be used more in appropriate settings. Inclusive language is also mainly used when addressing large amounts of people
and is not used for cisgender people on an individual basis.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Rapid onset gender dysphoria
1. Rapid-onset gender dysphoria (ROGD) is a disputed diagnosis and theory that gender dysphoria and being transgender is a social contagion that spreads through peer influence. It's often used by people to invalidate transgender identity or explain the rise in transgender identification. Much of the fuss around ROGD arose because of a study popularized that term and claimed to have observed it. The study surveyed parents of transgender kids and concluded based on responses that the kids had ROGD. However, this study has some major flaws.
2. First of all, the study surveyed parents, not their kids. Because transgender kids are often quiet about their identities, parents are not the best source of information. This is especially true for the rapid onset part of ROGD the study claimed to observe. Because people are often silent about their identities until coming out, it might only seem like rapid onset to someone watching.
3. All of this is made worse by the fact the source of data was biased. The parents in the study were recruited from anti-transgender websites like transgender trend and 4thwavenow. This would make an unreliable source of data about transgender kids even more unreliable. While some may claim that most of the parents were actually supportive of their child because 88.2% said they supported transgender rights, this assertion has some issues. First, many might have interpreted the question to mean general protections like nondiscrimination laws and not more nuanced things like whether they accepted their child. Second and more damming, 76.5% of parents thought their child was incorrect in identifying as transgender.
4. The study also has other issues. For example, it made no mention of best-practice methods for conducting surveys and gave parents a simplified and un-verified version of the DSM-5 to "diagnose" their kids with gender dysphoria.
5. The study's conclusions and many claims about ROGD in general also seem flawed. It was suggested that adolescents consuming transgender-related social media make them transgender, but it could easily be the opposite. If someone found out they were transgender or were questioning their gender identity, they would probably seek advice or information online. This reasoning also addresses the claim that transgender friends can make someone transgender. Because if someone is transgender they might seek out friends who have that thing in common, or if someone has a transgender friend, they might be more comfortable coming out.
6. Some research has found issues with the notion of ROGD. One study was not able to replicate some of ROGD's predictions concluding, "We did not find support within a clinical population for a new etiologic phenomenon of rapid onset gender dysphoria during adolescence."
7. Another issue with ROGD is that it frames people finding out they are transgender during or after puberty with little signs before puberty as novel and evidence of social contagion. However, this reasoning is flawed because this phenomenon is not novel and has been observed before all the fuss about social contagion. It is also not good evidence in favor of social contagion because puberty often causes people to discover their gender identity or worsens dysphoria.
8. Many transgender people also find out about their identity before puberty which is not predicted by ROGD. One study found that most transgender adults first began experiencing gender dysphoria between ages 3 and 7.
10. It's hard to think that social factors can push someone to identify as transgender given all the hardship transgender people have to go through and the magnitude of the decision.
11. Many medical organizations have opposed the use of ROGD citing the lack of medical evidence.
12. All of this is not to say ROGD does not exist in any way whatsoever, there is just no good evidence for ROGD individuals making up a large portion of the transgender population like some claim. Even if ROGD was real and significant, it would not change too much. Arguments for transgender rights and protections are not hurt by the way someone becomes transgender. Things that might need to be changed would be the caution taken by people transitioning and the way people are educated about transgender issues.
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https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0202330
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-019-1453-2
https://www.jpeds.com/article/S0022-3476(21)01085-4/fulltext
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0038026120934693
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8766261/
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria
https://www.caaps.co/rogd-statement
https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/Public%20Policies/2018/9_Sept/WPATH%20Position%20on%20Rapid-Onset%20Gender%20Dysphoria_9-4-2018.pdf
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Transgender - Non Religious
Their are too many labels
1. Gender and sexuality are on a spectrum so lots of labels are required to label parts of the
spectrum.
2. Micro-labels can help people find out about themselves better.
3. If you don't like all the labels then don't use them for yourself.
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General - Non Religious
Gay people don't exist
1. This is simply wrong. A vast amount of research has shown the existence of gay people.
2. Some people say gay people have a repressed attraction to the opposite sex this is also wrong and
research backs this up.
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https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-kinsey-scale-5199426
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
People choose their sexuality
1. This is wrong. Sexuality is determined by a mix of factors and is not a choice. Many of these factors are biological. A genome-wide association study
was run by tens of thousands of people and a large number of genes were associated with homosexuality. Twin studies have also been run showing genetic correlation.
2. Sexuality having some biological roots does not mean sexuality can't be fluid it just
means people's "base" sexualities are set. For example, many people who identify as
straight can still have some amount of same-sex attraction from time to time but
they don't stop being heterosexual at their core. This is all different from sexuality being a choice, I don't choose the fluidity.
3. Even if sexuality was a choice why would that matter, it's no one's business.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7082777
https://geneticsexbehavior.info
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Homosexuality - Non Religious
Leviticus 18:22 bans homosexuality
Being LGBT+ is against god's plan
1. People don't choose being LGBT+ people are born LGBT+ (sexuality - gender). If god did not like LGBT+ he would not have
given anyone those traits.
2. A loving God would not advocate for things that caused bad outcomes. Much of the religious persecution of LGBT+ people has caused bad outcomes meaning a loving God would not want that.
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https://reformationproject.org/the-need/
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General - Religious
Deuteronomy 22:5 ban transgender people from wearing gender affirming clothes
1. Masculine and feminine clothing has a loose definition. It varies from culture to culture and over time.
Masculine and feminine clothing can be subjective too and views about it can vary from person to person.
2. This passage does not necessarily talk about biological sex it could be talking about gender identity too.
After all biological sex does not souly determine gender.
3. This passage would probably not apply if it caused damage and not wearing gender-affirming clothing can cause damage to lots of transgender people because of dysphoria.
4. Some have argued that this passage refered to armor, not clothing
5. Many passages are unethical or don't make sense by today's standards.
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https://www.genderspectrum.org/articles/faith-resources-clobber
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/eng/acc/deuteronomy-22.html
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Transgender - Religious
Deuteronomy 23:1 bans gender affirming surgery
1. This passage is probably overridden if a surgery is necessary. Gender affirming surgery is often
necessary and not getting it can be very harmful and lead to suicide. Gender dysphoria is no joke. Also
conversion therapy does not work and can't be used as a treatment.
2. Isaiah 56:3-5 and Matthew 19:12 (also affirms intersex people) affirms eunuchs.
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https://www.genderspectrum.org/articles/faith-resources-clobber
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Transgender - Religious
Transgender people perpetuate gender stereotyping
1. This argument can be used against cisgender people too and anyone who conforms to gender roles. The only
people who are safe from this argument are gender non-conforming and nonbinary people.
2. You could argue transgender people do more to break down gender stereotyping because of how they defy gender norms.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRQHZcU9ZqU
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Transgender - Non Religious
Biological sex is completely unchangeable
1. This is wrong many parts of biological sex are changeable from genitals to hormones. There is not one perfect signifier of
biological sex that is useful, biological sex is better thought of as a collection of traits. This way of thinking is much more
useful in a lot of cases and when thinking about gender.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Sex and gender is only your only your chromosomes
We have written a longer article on this. Click here for more information on this topic.
1. After people point out that many biological markers are changeable TERFs fall back to less changeable things.
The thing is these things don't matter and by medically transitioning you are removing their importance. They are also
invisible to everyone and only relatively recently discovered. Gender existed before then.
2. Chromosomes can be inconsistent.
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https://youtu.be/zRQHZcU9ZqU
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Transgender - Non Religious
People are defined by their AGAB
1. TERFs often say biological sex is more important than gender, but even after people many all meaningful parts
of their biological sex TERFs still don't accept that. This shows that some TERFs don't
believe in biological sex but believe in AGAB (they don't say this of course or are in denial). This is crazy, TERFs say that they
are grounded in reality but AGAB is not reality it's in the past.
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https://youtu.be/zRQHZcU9ZqU
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Transgender - Non Religious
Romans 1:27 says homosexuality is unnatural
1. I'm not as confident writing about bible passages and this one is a bit more complex than the other ones. For
information on this verse please read to sources in the description. I might try to write someone on this later.
I will still copy some of the affirming interpretations below.
2. "Human sexuality researchers and others who have studied the nature of sexual orientation might reject Paul's belief
that homosexuality is beyond the normal. Many religious liberals reject Paul's condemnation of homosexual behavior,
particularly when Paul's support for the oppression of women, and his acceptance of slavery as a normal social practice
in (Philemon 1:15 to 16) are considered. They might feel that this passage in 1 Romans should be rejected as immoral and
outside the will of God, much as other biblical passages are immoral by today's ethical standards and should be ignored
including those passages that regulated human slavery, required some hookers to be burned alive, advocated genocide,
required victims of rape to marry their rapist, allowed the torture of prisoners, and required the execution of
non-virgin brides."
3. "Paul didn't write it as a condemnation of homosexuality, but as a criticism of Greek behavior in temple worship.
Greeks often incorporated sexual behavior in temple worship." - J. Nelson
4. "The complete passage describes how a group of Christians left the church, converted to Paganism, and engaged in
orgiastic, presumably heterosexual sexual activities. This type of behavior was common among Pagan fertility religions
in Rome during Paul's time. Paul writes that, later, God "gave them over" to something new: homosexual behavior. This
implies that they had a heterosexual orientation and had engaged only in heterosexual sex throughout their lifetime.
God influenced them in some way to engage in homosexual orgies. This was, for them, an unnatural, and thus sinful, activity.
Paul criticized them because they were engaged in sexual activity which was unnatural for them. For a person with
a heterosexual orientation, homosexual behavior is "shameful," "unnatural," "indecent," and a "perversion." The passage
in Romans is not a condemnation of homosexual behavior. Rather, it disapproves of sexual behavior that is against a
person's basic nature (i.e. homosexual behaviors by people whose orientation is heterosexual)." - Dr. Swiney
5. "Some question whether the word "perversion" in Verse 27, and "such things" in Verse 30 are related to only certain
types of gay and lesbian behavior. e.g.: Homosexual orgies, or Group same-gender sexual practices in a religious setting.
This was a common practice among Pagans at the time; e.g. in the temples dedicated to the Goddess Aphrodite.
Casual homosexual activities outside of a committed, monogamous two person relationship, or Homosexual molestation between
a man and a child. In Paul's day, the child victim was often a slave. These probably were the only forms of same-sex
activity that Paul was familiar with. Paul may well have not been thinking of gays and lesbians in committed relationships
when he wrote this passage. He never referred to such couples in his writings, and may well have never encountered any
during his lifetime. He might simply have been condemning homosexual orgies and other sexual activities outside of a
monogamous same-sex relationship."
1 Corinthians 6:9 and 1 Timothy 1:9-10 bans homosexuality
LGBT+ people get "special treatment"
1. No they don't, they are asking for equality. There are many counties where being LGBT+ is illegal and there are many gaps in LGBT+ rights.
2. It's hard to argue that LGBT+ rights give preferential treatment. For example, antidiscrimination laws don't elivate LGBT+ people above others. They just make being LGBT+ a protected class like race and national origin.
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General - Non Religious
TERF is a slur
1. TERF is used when a feminist is being trans-exclusionary. It's used when someone actually someone fits the definition.
2. TERF does have a negative connotation but that is because being trans-exclusionary is negative. If you want to know why to check
out the transgender page of arguments.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Women/Gay people become transgender to escape sexism/homophobia
1. Why would someone move from an oppressed group into an even more oppressed group? Being transgender can be dangerous.
2. Transitioning takes a lot of effort and a lot of time. It is very challenging. People don't do it for comparatively small
reasons.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Anti discrimination laws attack religious freedom
1. Anti-discrimination protect people of color and almost no one is complaining about that. Protecting LGBT+ people is a logical next
step as LGBT+ people can't choose their attributes too.
2. Discrimination against people is different from religious freedom. Discrimination is actually harmful while religious freedom
is not.
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General - Religious
Transgender people choose to be trans
Same-sex marriage attacks religious freedom
1. A same-sex marriage is a consenting relationship between 2 people and does not affect religious people at all.
2. For discrimination in general see this argument.
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Homosexuality - Religious
Asexuality does not exist / is not valid
Kids are too young to know they are transgender
Marriage is a holy Christian union
1. Marriage is not an exclusively Christian thing, marriage spans many cultures and was around before Christianity.
2. Marriage can also be civil. Even if you don't support religious same-sex marriage you can support civil same-sex marriage.
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/if-not-gods-authority-who_b_8090588
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Homosexuality - Religious
Transgender people have autogynephilia
1. Autogynephilia is the idea that people transition because they are aroused by the thought of themselves as the other gender. The autogynephilia theory does not line up with what transgender people say. For this theory to be true most transgender people
must be lying and with the transgender community having hundreds of thousands of members this is inconceivable. Claiming that all
transgender people are lying also makes the theory unfalsifiable by making it impossible to get counterevidence which is
very problematic.
2. Transition is a long, hard and expensive process it seems very unlikely that anyone would go through it just because of autogynephilia.
3. We are not saying no one has autogynephilia there are certainly one-off cases. The problem is autogynephilia has not been seen
on a wide scale.
4. The medical community agrees that autogynephilia is mostly fake. See the sources for more information on problems with autogynephilia and
academic responses to it.
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http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-real-autogynephilia-deniers.html
https://www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-CaseAgainstAutogynephilia.pdf
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00918369.2010.486241
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Transgender - Non Religious
Pronouns refer to biology
1. Pronouns refer to gender. This is how they are used most often. When people use pronouns they generally go on looks or on people's
preferences. Biology is not used often. If we define a word by how people use it pronouns refer to gender.
2. Gender is changeable in most contexts so if pronouns refer to gender which they do you the most accurate thing is to respect them.
3. Using the right pronouns is easy and using the wrong ones is damaging.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Transgender people hurt the military
1. Research shows that transgender people serving in the military does not hurt its effectiveness.
2. Transgender people serving does not cost the military that much. In the US transition-related healthcare is estimated to take up 0.04% to 0.13% of military healthcare expenditures.
3. Transgender people being banned from the military would hurt it by removing people who could strengthen it.
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https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html
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Transgender - Non Religious
There are more important problems in the world to work on than LGBT+ rights
1. Just because there are bigger problems does not mean relatively smaller problems should not be focused on. If we spend all our money on the world's biggest problem the world would be a mess.
2. By this logic anti LGBT+ people should not be working on taking away LGBT+ rights because there are bigger problems in the world.
3. Some people are better at working on certain problems like LGBT+ rights so would make the world better by working on those.
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General - Non Religious
Kids are rushed into transition
Gay people molest child more than others
Conversion therapy works and/or does not harm people
Transgender people should be barred from changing their legal gender
1. Not being able to legally change gender can make many parts of life harder. For example, incorrect identification can be an issue at security check points, at traffic stops or during voting.
2. It's hard to argue that transgender people should not be able to legally change their gender when transgender people can change many of their gender characteristics. If someone identifies as a gender, presents as a gender, medically transitions to that gender, lives life as that gender and everyone knows them as that gender, they should be able to get legal recognition.
3. Incorrect identity documents can out transgender people which can lead to harmful situations.
4. Because the main person being affected by an identification change is that person, changing legal gender is a matter of personal freedom which is another reason it should be allowed.
5. Research has suggested that access to legal gender change improves quality of life and mental health for transgender people.
6. The argument that allowing transgender to change legal gender will allow men access to single-sex spaces for women is flawed. First of all, the process for identity change can often being challenging or take time which would remove incentive or straight up prevent people from abusing the system. Second, having the fake documents won't make much of a difference, it's not like they check IDs outside of bathrooms.
7. The argument that allowing transgender to change legal gender will endanger cisgender women in single-sex spaces is also flawed and is coved here.
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32435684/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29520314/
https://transequality.org/issues/voting-rights
https://transequality.org/issues/identity-documents-privacy
https://www.lambdalegal.org/sites/default/files/transgender_booklet_-_documents.pdf
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Transgender - Non Religious
Same-sex people can't be married under the Bible
1. In the Bible, procreation is not only purpose of marriage. There were marriages with infertile people in the bible and infertile couples often can get married in a Christian context.
2. Same-sex couples can have children though adoption or surrogacy which would have a similar outcome to procreation.
3. The Bible often focuses on the love and commitment in a marriage which is something same-sex couples can have.
4. Opposite-sex marriage was the only type mentioned in the Bible because it was the most common and the only type of marriage in the ancient world.
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https://reformationproject.org/case/marriage/
https://reformationproject.org/case/gender-complementarity/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt-a0BiAEVs
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Homosexuality - Religious
Gender transition subverts reality
1. An argument against transgender people is that transitioning subverts how someone's body is supposed to be, or their "biological reality" as some people say. However, what someone's body is supposed to be is not a reality, it's a preference placed on them by others. Reality is what something is, not what something is supposed to be. If reality is changed, then the new thing becomes the new reality.
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Transgender - Non Religious
Same-sex intimacy is not allowed under the Bible because it is not procreation
1. Sex can also have a unitive meaning which is often referenced in the Bible.
2. Certain types of sexual acts are condemned in the Bible but those are often in the context of lust, not love and compassion which same-sex couples can have.
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https://reformationproject.org/case/marriage/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt-a0BiAEVs
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Homosexuality - Religious
